Vaccinations should remain mandatory

The issue of mandatory immunizations for children has long been a debate among American citizens. With some studies linking certain vaccinations to conditions like autism, it is logical for parents to be a bit timid about what goes inside their children’s bodies. And as many states have decided to allow exemptions based upon philosophical beliefs, several other states have also recently begun to consider the same. Whether this is a good idea is still speculative.

In the past, diseases such as small pox were major epidemics. Through years of medical advancement, small pox – along with many other diseases – have been virtually eliminated within the United States. We have proof that these vaccinations are effective because such diseases no longer plague us. Although these mandatory vaccinations have served to keep the country free from epidemics of the past, many people are still finding reasons to fear them.

Concerning autism, there are no conclusive links between vaccinations and the condition. Even the Center for Disease Control has suggested there is still probably no connection. Yet still, people are continuing to fight vaccinations to ensure the safety of their children.

What scares me about this is that this kind of thinking can create another disease epidemic for our nation. When only a handful of kids out of the masses are not getting vaccinations, there is no need to worry about another epidemic. However, if more states approve legislation that allows immunizations to be less mandatory, there is potential for major problems.

Is there a single known cause for autism? No. Are there vaccinations that prevent the contraction of rubella and measles? Yes. Because there is no conclusive link between the condition and the immunizations, it is almost considered irresponsible not to vaccinate one’s children. Immunizations have been proven to do their job, and autism has failed to prove a significant connection to the vaccines.

Though I do understand that even the possibility of autism being derived from vaccinations can be frightening for some, I stand behind the belief that vaccinations should be mandatory. They have proven to be a godsend over the years, and I want to make sure I see vaccinations continue preventing the spread of disease.

By allowing more liberal exemption opportunities, anyone can find a reason not to vaccinate their children. And while some may not be affected, this could very well pave the way for a series of mini-epidemics of the very diseases the immunizations could have prevented.

Of course, no one likes being told what to do. Even less people like being told what they should do for their children. But when it comes to disease control, I do not believe that we should have that kind of power. It is not merely about one person’s child – it is about the fate of millions of children. Therein lies the danger.

 

Jordan Klosky is a sophomore majoring in journalism.

  • RealTannersDad

    TannersDad Tim Welsh is a Father dealing with Autism and advocating for over nine years. Jordan, We live in a Nation that is built on Freedom. All medicines come with consequences. I have friends that have vaccinated their child and the child has died. Google VAERS. See some of the Vaccine Adverse events. I am not Anti Vaccine I am pro Safe and intelligent vaccination policies. All three exemptions have a place in a free country. Fear mongering over epidemics of the past, usually caused by poor sanitation, no clean water, and no modern medical response while ignoring the current health crisis is turning a blind eye to sick children. Wake up 54% of our kids are sick… ask why? TannersDad Tim

    • bamagirl123

      VAERS is an interesting website. I didn’t know it existed, and I thank you for bringing it to light, but I feel like I must post this straight from the site itself: 
      “Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.”I deeply feel for the families who have lost their children, but what about all the families who haven’t? Children are extremely sensitive as their immune systems are weak. As you mentioned above, all medications come with consequences or side effects, but so does EVERYTHING in life. Even the piece of fruit you put in your mouth has something wrong with it. Baby formulas get recalled all the time and I don’t see people not feeding their children as a result. We need to look at the positive outcomes and see that they far outweigh the negative ones. By the way, the researcher who came to the conclusion that vaccines are links to autism has publicly said that his research was flawed and the public continues to cite their research regardless.

      • Ken Reibel

         No amount of evidence will convince the anti-vaccine zealots that they are wrong.

        • ccdaddy57

          Looks like we have come full circle,truly it is refrigerator moms and dads.  We, just don’t want our children. Strange, then why did I spent 
          40,000 in diapers and wet wipes by the time he was 16 yr’s old?     

          Why, do we dread the day that we die? Afraid to leave our little boy at 21 yr’s old that has not spoken since his 7 vaccines given at 27 mos. of age.   
          [ down to, 2 to sometimes 3 words ]                                                           That is strange, isn’t it.  Normally learning and speaking words till 27 mos, 
          not! as most kids got that their vaccines at 24 month on the normal Schedule.Days after the 27 mos. vaccines, speech starts slurring.  In weeks, he starts losing the speech he once had.  Months later, speech down to 2 to 3 words at best.    And only, every once and a while.I left out, at the Injection site a knot formed the size of a Mans fist so hot it would burn you to touch it.  It covered from his 27 month old knee to his hip and he had spiked a fever, the next day three mini seizures.He had the MMR the DPT and the Hib, it is well known that the DPT cancause Brain swelling and encephalpathy all by it’s self. Let alone, all theother garbage they call ingredients that some how found it’s way in our children’s vaccines.   A laundry list, of Heavy metals and very dangerousToxins. His Neurologist, gave him the diagnosis of an encephalopathy of unknownetiology.    With, an underlying metabolic problem.  Mitochondria problemThis is the exact words, of the Dir. of the CDC that is now employed by
          Merck for 2 million dollars.

          The Dir. of the CDC said “if a child was immunized, got a fever had other complications from the vaccine. Then if your predisposed with a mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism” My child was immunized [7 vaccines], got a fever other complications? I assume 3 seizures and a red hot !!!! knot the size of a sm nerf footballcut in half on a 27 month old child’s thigh. should qualify.  Oh! I for got, he also has an underlying mitochondrial disorder.   

          My kid is a carbon copy, of the Neurologist Dr. Polings little girl Hannah.       Except he’s more severe, and where the Polings were awarded 20 million 
          dollars for vaccine damage.  My son, he got nothing!  But the return, of 
          the 150.00 filing fee.

          • http://twitter.com/mindchangeframe Matthew Bailey

            Blah, blah, blah anecdotes.

            CITE A STUDY THAT PROVES A CONNECTION BETWEEN AUTISM AND DISORDERS IN A HEALTHY CHILD.

          • Ken Reibel

             Tre, I know you filed suit in vaccine court. How is the case coming? Have you lined up an expert witness yet?

      • ccdaddy57
  • Anne Dachel

    Parents need to get informed. See the books, Vaccine Epidemic http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1616082720 , , and Make An Informed Vaccine Decision http://www.amazon.com/Informed-Vaccine-Decision-Health-Child/dp/1881217361/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329412776&sr=1-1
    Also see the National Vaccine Information Center http://www.nvic.org/.
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com

  • Anne Dachel

    The federal government conceded the vaccine damage case of Hannah Poling, a young Georgia girl who regressed into autism following her vaccinations.
    See CBS News story from Sept, 2010 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html
    It seems vaccines never cause autism, except when they do.
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

  • Anne Dachel

    HDNet TV exposed the fact that while health officials continue to tell us studies show no link, the federal government has paid out millions of dollars for compensation for vaccine injuries that included autism. Seeing these children who were born healthy and were suddenly and dramatically affected by their vaccinations should give us all pause. http://www.ebcala.org/news/video
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

  • Anne Dachel

    The New York Times published a review of the new movie The Greater Good http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/movies/the-greater-good-review.html in which they told the public that even if vaccines do cause autism, “all that matters is that its victims number significantly fewer than those of the diseases vaccinations are designed to prevent.” That’s a scary gamble for parents. Autism now affects one percent of our children and among boys alone, it’s almost two percent.Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.comhttp://www.ageofautism.com

  • Anne Dachel

    Claire Dwoskin from the National Vaccine Information Center and Leslie Manookian, producer and writer of new movie, “The Greater Good,” talked about vaccine safety claims with NY talk show host Thom Hartmann on Nov. 21. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qPvdFit_U&feature=channel_video_title
    They discussed the poor design of the research used as proof that vaccines are safe.
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

  • Anne Dachel

     The LA Times recently published this review of the new film, “Greater Good,” an in-depth look at the vaccine safety debate. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/14/entertainment/la-et-capsules-greater-good20111014The short trailer to this movie on their website http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/experts-in-the-field makes it clear that there are experts on both side and a lot of serious questions that need to be asked. The medical community and health officials promote vaccines as the greatest achievement in modern medicine yet there is growing fear over vaccine side effects.Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

    • http://twitter.com/Gr8rGoodMovie Edward Jenner

       No worries, Anne. We’re working on debunking and repairing the damage to public health done by that pseudo-documentary. ;-)

  • Anne Dachel

     Health officials want us to believe that a one-size-fits all vaccine schedule is fine for every child. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf It needs to be noted that children start receiving vaccinations at birth. (And even earlier if a pregnant woman receives the flu vaccine, recommended at any stage of pregnancy. The majority of the flu vaccine available come with a huge level of mercury, a known neurotoxin. This mercury easily passes the placental barrier.)(And even earlier if a pregnant woman receives the flu vaccine, recommended at any stage of pregnancy. The majority of the flu vaccine available come with a huge level of mercury, a known neurotoxin. This mercury easily passes the placental barrier.)Where is the study comparing fully-vaccinated and never-vaccinated children to see if never-vaccinated kids also have a one percent autism rate? THERE ISN’T ONE.Where is even ONE STUDY that disproves a link between vaccines and autism that isn’t connected to the vaccine industry. THERE ISN’T ONE.Those who deny that injecting more and more toxins into babies and small children is harming them are like those who deny they more and more pollution is affecting our climate. Where is the science showing that it’s safe to inject three live viruses into children at one time? THERE ISN’T ANY.Where are the studies that show that adding aluminum and mercury to vaccines is safe? THERE AREN’T ANY.Where is even one study on the cumulative effect of the increasing number of vaccines in the childhood schedule? THERE ISN’T ONE.Doctors need to do their homework. They’re on very thin ice here. Pharma-funded studies disproving a link between vaccines and autism prove nothing. Tens of thousands of parents everywhere who say their child was born healthy and was developing normally until they received certain routine vaccines are never going away.Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism
    Where is even ONE STUDY that disproves a link between vaccines and autism that isn’t connected to the vaccine industry. THERE ISN’T ONE.
    Those who deny that injecting more and more toxins into babies and small children is harming them are like those who deny they more and more pollution is affecting our climate. Where is the science showing that it’s safe to inject three live viruses into children at one time? THERE ISN’T ANY.
    Where are the studies that show that adding aluminum and mercury to vaccines is safe? THERE AREN’T ANY.
    Where is even one study on the cumulative effect of the increasing number of vaccines in the childhood schedule? THERE ISN’T ONE.
    Doctors need to do their homework. They’re on very thin ice here. Pharma-funded studies disproving a link between vaccines and autism prove nothing. Tens of thousands of parents everywhere who say their child was born healthy and was developing normally until they received certain routine vaccines are never going away.
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    • White_and_Nerdy

      What a strange set of postings you have made here.

       

      We understand your desire to market your business.

       

      But we can all read. 
      We can all see that basically every point you have made here is wrong.

       

      And it is very easy to examples on-line where the facts have
      been provided to you.

       

      So why would you post all these assertions that you know are
      false?

       

      Guess it doesn’t really matter why.

       

      But thanks for doing an excellent job of exactly
      demonstrating why vaccines cause autism crowd is marginalized to posting on the
      Net.  The truth is they get pretty much
      everything wrong no matter how many times their errors are corrected.

       

      W&N

    • http://twitter.com/mindchangeframe Matthew Bailey

      Where is the study comparing fully-vaccinated and never-vaccinated children to see if never-vaccinated kids also have a one percent autism rate? THERE ISN’T ONE.Where is even ONE STUDY that disproves a link between vaccines and autism that isn’t connected to the vaccine industry. THERE ISN’T ONE.

      You can’t prove a negative. Cite a scientific study proving that there is a connection between vaccines and autism. Anecdotes don’t prove anything.

  • Anne Dachel

    Jordan Klosky promotes vaccinations with little concern over whether or not they can have serious side effects like autism.
    Klosky needs to listen to some of the stories told by countless thousands of parents. They took their children in for routine vaccinations and suddenly those kids got sick with things like seizures, bowel disease, and sleep disorders. Many stopped talking and lost learned skills, eventually ending up with an autism diagnosis. Doctors call this a coincidence at the same time they have no known cause for autism. What they do have is lots of pharma-funded studies all showing no link between vaccines and autism.
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism
    Type your comment here.

    • Ken Reibel

      “It is exceptionally rare that I hear the story, ‘my son was 100% fine,
      and at 2 years old after one vaccine appointment he lost everything.’ I
      have heard that story, but very rarely.”
       - JB Handley, founder of Generation Rescue and close associate of Anne Dachel.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OKDIKZN4FA6AVPCMYASXK6VAA4 joe joe

     How about we make vaccinations mandatory for the people pushing vaccines and their families after we show them a video of all the adverse effects of vaccines, and the health problems they cause for thousands of injured children. 1 in 5 children in this country suffer from some sort of disability, did it ever cross this authors mind to question what is causing this?no, not at all just junk science is used to push their agenda.Let me give the author a hint as to why people are avoiding vaccines, highly educated parents, distrust in the medical system, distrust in the media that doesn’t know how to do proper reporting, only copy cat reporting, adverse effects go to NVICP aka vaccine court and see that vaccines are not safe, therefore we are taking our chances.

    • http://twitter.com/mindchangeframe Matthew Bailey

      Here’s a challenge for you. Cite one scientific article with a link between vaccination and disability. I can cite multiple articles proving that keeping up herd immunity is important. I need you guys to cite why it’s more dangerous to vaccinate.

      • shawnmcarter

        Just to play devil’s advocate…if you had childhood eczema I wouldn’t recommend you get the smallpox vaccine as an adult.

        • http://twitter.com/itchyskin2 Itchy

          Why wouldn’t you recommend getting the smallpox vaccine as an adult if you had childhood eczema exactly? 

      • ccdaddy57
        • http://twitter.com/mindchangeframe Matthew Bailey

          I’m not going to watch anything from the youtube channel of a man who questions the validity of HIV causing AIDS and almost died of his own supplement. Not to mention that the woman in the video appears to be about the same in being a quack. 

          I will ask again. Do you have a scientifically backed article, not an anecdote, about vaccines causing disabilities?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4EDWLEAO4WYG7ORITHSLHGHINE DBJ

            Matthew, If you are talking about Gary Null, you are slandering him.  His manufacturers made a serious error in the production of that supplement. It was not because of his supplement.  Get your facts straight “Mr. Objectivity”.

          • http://twitter.com/mindchangeframe Matthew Bailey

            You choose to ignore the fact that he’s an AIDS denialist and instead focus on the fact that I’m wrong to point out that he almost died because some of his crap supplements were improperly made. I really don’t think that even if he had no idea that his supplements were that bad for him that matters in his lack of scientific rigor. Also, it’s libel if it is written, not slander.

  • ccdaddy57

     Looks like, we have come full circle.   For truly, it is refrigerator moms and dads.  

    It appears, that we just don’t want our children.  Strange, then why did I spent 40,000 
    in diapers and wet wipes? by the time he was 16 yr’s old.     

    If we don’t want him, then why do we dread the day that we are going to die?   Afraid to leave our little boy, at 21 yr’s old that has not spoken since his 7 vaccines given at 27 mos. of age.    He is, [ down to, 2  sometimes 3 words ]                                                       That is strange, isn’t it.  Normally learning and speaking words till 27 mos, 
    not! as most kids that got their vaccines at 24 month on the normal Schedule. 

    Days after the 27 mos. vaccines, speech starts slurring.   In weeks, he starts losing the speech he once had.  Months later, speech down to 2 to 3 words at best.      And only, 
    every once and a while.    

    I left out, at the Injection site a knot formed the size of a Mans fist so hot it would burn you 
    to touch it.  It had covered from his 27 month old knee, to his hip.     And he had spiked a fever, the next day three mini seizures.   At that time, he had the MMR the DPT and the Hib. 

    It is well known, that the DPT can cause Brain swelling and encephalpathy all by it’s self. Let alone, all the other garbage they call ingredients.   That some how found it’s way into 
    our children’s vaccines.   It’s a laundry list, of Heavy metals and very dangerousToxins.  

    My sons Neurologist, gave him the diagnosis of an encephalopathy of unknown etiology    with, an underlying metabolic problem. [ Mitochondria problem ]This is the exact words, of the Dir. of the CDC.   That FYI is now employed byMerck for 2 million dollars a year.The Dir. of the CDC said “if a child was immunized, got a fever had other complications from the vaccine. Then if your predisposed with a mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism” 

    My child was immunized [7 vaccines], got a fever & other complications? I assume 3 seizures and a red hot !!!! knot the size of a sm nerf footballcut in half on a 27 month old child’s thigh. should qualify.  Oh! I for got, he also has an underlying mitochondrial disorder.   My kid is a carbon copy, of the Neurologist Dr. Polings little girl Hannah.   Except he’s more severe, and where the Polings were awarded 20 million dollars for their daughter’s vaccine damage.  My son, well he got nothing!  But the return, of the 150.00 filing fee

    • Ken Reibel

       ”I left out, at the Injection site a knot formed the size of a Mans fist so hot it would burn you 
      to touch it.”

      In the past you said the heat was caused by an exothermic reaction between the mercury and the aluminum in the vaccine. What I don’t understand, and maybe you can clear this up, is why didn’t the aluminum and mercury react in the vaccine vial? Or at the factory where the vaccine was made?

      • http://twitter.com/Gr8rGoodMovie Edward Jenner

         Because it’s magic, Ken! MAGIC!

  • ccdaddy57

    Would I vaccinate today? I would not vaccinate a dog! with the witches 
    brew of Toxins they are injecting into our children.  Speaking of Dogs, the 
    Vets discontinued the use of Thimerosal in Dog vaccines in 1992 because 
    it was causing neurological damage in Dogs.  It remained in the children’s vaccines till 2002 with an expiration date of 2004.     Pregnant women and 
    children 6 mos. to 2 yr’s, are receiving full strength Thimerosal Flu vaccines 
    today in 2012.    Last year pregnant women, and children received double 
    the Thimerosal AKA Mercury if they got the reg. and the H1N1 flu shot. The manufacturer safety data sheet warns to not ever expose pregnant women 
    to Thimerosal for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild 
    to severe mental retardation.      The CDC Dir recommended it to the pregnant 
    women, and was practically begging them to take it.
    You see, she was afraid that Autism would drop like a water fall effect after the removal 
    of the Thimerosal.  And now, we know it was begged back in for only a 59 % benefit at best.  
    At worse, which is usually what it is when missing the targeted Virus.      She the Dir. had put 
    the Baby’s in danger for a – 0 – percent benefit.  She now works for Merck for 2 million dollars 
    a yr.  She took that revolving door into the Industry, 1 week after her cool off period of 1 yr. Children 6 mos. to 2 yr’s get absolutely no ! benefit from the inactivated flu vaccine except that of a placebo effect. says, the UK. IOMChildren who were given the Flu vaccine, are more likely to be hospitalized later on in life than their peers.    That have never! been flu vaccinated. So, why give a child a worthless flu vaccine? To insure, that more children are hospitalized in the future?   That kind of incompetent thinking, is why health care insurance cost about $1200.00 a 
    year.    It’s  Pride, Arrogance, and Greed, that has enslaved us to depend on worthless dangerous vaccines.  If vaccines are so great, why is this the sickest children in American history.  Back to vets, they found they were over vaccinating dogs.   It appears they 
    were getting the immunity with one vaccine.      They found, anything more 
    including the boosters were causing Vaccsanosis    AKA neurological 
    damage. The US. children are receiving, counting boosters 70 + vaccines.By age 18We are the most Vaccinated Nation on the planet, and our children’s health reflect it.       
     Our children’s health in some cases, only compare to third world country’s.Until Pride Arrogance and Greed are pried out of Main stream medicine,and our own Nations health agencies.    Health care cost will continue to spiral out of control.      It, is not going to be easily removed! for all3 Pride Arrogance and especially Greed are deeply rooted in this Nations 
    health care system.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Thank you for such an incredibly helpful set of postings.

       

      One simple example that just perfectly captures the
      anti-vaccs.

      (1) they simply make things up:  thimersoal was not removed by canine vaccines

      (2) they are extremely foolish:  anyone that spends 10secs at Google can see
      this assertion isn’t true,

      (3) they continue to knowingly argue falsehoods:  anyone that spends a few secs at Google can
      see that you have already been provided the facts.

       

      All that is left is to watch the personal attacks and rants
      when the world rejects everything the anti-vaccs claim.

       

      Thanks again for making this so very clear.

       

      W&N

  • ccdaddy57

    The CDC found, that when the Vets took out the Thimerosal for suspected 
    neurological damage to Dogs.         That made them look really bad, so it
    really would be to their benefit to get the vets to reinstate the use of 
    the Thimerosal.  

    But the fact is, they removed it from the Dog vaccines in 1992 ABC’s 
    WFAA investigative reporter and her team said  We know from our own 
    research that by 1972 the FDA had begun asking questions about the 
    dangers of thimerosal.    [By 1992, it had been pulled out of dog vaccines] 
    and contact lens solution because of the risk, but it was not until last year 
    that FINALLY it was removed from childhood vaccines. 

    This report from WFAA ABC reporter was from 2002 they removed the mercury from dogs vaccines in 1992 that’s an astounding 10 yr’s longer the vets showed compassion 
    and common sense for dogs. On the other hand that’s an astounding 10 yr’s that the
    [ AAP CDC FDA ]  demonstrated total careless disregard and reckless-endangerment for our most precious resource. 

    W & N I will show the parents the FDA knew of this AMA paidresearch on Thimerosal from  
    Dr. Frank Engley from a 1948 study.In which the Toxicity dangers of Thimerosal was fully documented,by the brilliant Microbiologist and professor Dr. Frank Engley. This is from the 
    1948 AMA funded study, from Dr.Engley’s blue ribbon panel.

    “we find Thimerosal toxic down to an unbelievable level down to one one millionth of a gram,and that’s about as toxic as you can get” 

    This was back when the AMA had integrity, enough to fund a study on a suspected neural toxin.  

    “Dr. Frank Engley was a retired chairman and professor of Microbiology at the University of 
    Missouri.      He served on various committees and panels and has consulted for the CDC, 
    NASA,  the FDA, and EPA. He did some of the first research on the toxicity of thimerosal 
     

    His work ,is in two! prestigious journals.     Isn’t it strange, how no one can recall his work or 
    his dire warnings on Thimerosal.          Even when they paid for the research, and it’s in their 
    own journals. It should be noted that this article, was published in the January 1948 issue of 
    the Journal of the American Medical Association. If you call them they say we do not recall 
    this study and we have no! comment on Thimerosal.

    It also should be noted that this article was published, in 1950 in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences. 

    Maybe we should be asking the AMA, or the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences. 
    Why they don’t come forward, on this important subject and save the Nations most precious 
    resource. Our Children?

    After all, it was the AMA’s  money that paid for that study.  It seems greed, runs ramped today 
    at the AMA and they appear to be guilty of blatant disregard of foreseeable consequences for 
    the damage of our children.  

    Damage that they had it in their power, to stop!

    But for what ever reason, be it [Pride, Arrogance, or worse Greed, ] the AMA has chosen to
    keep silent.    It does appear, that the AMA seems to care very little or for that matter not 
    at all for little children. 

    The reason, they are fighting this so hard is.    That they have ignored two very strong warnings! 
    One from 1948, and another from 1982.       And now the damage,is so wide spread and severe
    and expensive.      That they cannot admit what happened by accident, that’s ripping the Nation 
    apart.  Hence this statement, from Dr. Engley 

    ”if they had followed through on our 82 report, the vaccines would have been freed of Thimerosal 
    and all this autism they tell me would not have occurred” 

    ( That kind of statement, makes you wonder who all knows )

    This was taken from the actual report;  It is clear from this research supported by a grant from 
    the American Medical Association, that Thimerosal is neither efficacious nor safe. And should 
    be removed as a preservative in prescription biologics and pharmaceutical products, as well as from topical over-the-counter products such as Butt-Balm that have Thimerosal present in their formulations as an active ingredient.

    If it was not safe for topical use, because it kills cells.   What in Gods name, made them think that they should ever be injecting it into a new born child?

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Since you can’t read the canine vaccine labels that state
      they have thimerosal in them and thus figure out that thimerosal was not
      removed from canine vaccines…

      And since you can’t look at all the countries that
      completely removed all thimerosal from vaccines many years ago without
      decreasing the rate of autism, and figure out that the claim that removal of
      thimersoal would have prevented “all this autism would not have occurred”
      is an outright lie…

      Then I suppose that it should be a surprise that you
      continue to grossly misrepresent the toxicology of thimerosal.

      Which is exactly why courts having to protect some kids from
      the anti-vaccs–because their parents clearly can’t.

      W&N

      • ccdaddy57

        You are lying on purpose, the Denmark study had revealed that the incidence and the prevalence of Autism was still decreasing as of 2001.  How can it be going up, when this email from Denmark.    Very clearly states, it is in fact going down!

        It said still decreasing as of 2001, not! increasing. You do comprehend the 
        difference. UP and Down you should have learned it before preschool.  

        Again for the parents, the one who lied and said the data said it was increasing
        has been indicted on 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering
        in Atlanta GA. 

        Here is a hint, of why he thought he could take almost 2 million dollars of CDC Autism research funds.  And no one, would notice.

        This is the time line concerning the Denmark study, just weeks before the IOM committed intellectual suicide, they were to evaluate the science on Autism and vaccines in a meeting.  The CDC is in an email, stating that the IOM meeting is in weeks.    And we have searched frantically, and cannot find anything here. We are going to have to go elsewhere, to get us a study.   They settled on Denmark, and chose Poul Thorsen to be the contact to do the study.  Here, is why I think he felt
        comfortable [absconding] defined below.

        [absconding] ( Leave hurriedly and secretly, typically to avoid detection or arrest ) with almost 2 million dollars.   You see parents, the CDC that was told by Congress to find the cause of Autism and get them a treatment or a cure.   Told, Poul Thorsen after handing him 11 million dollars. that    

        “we are only interested, in what will exonerate the CDC and Vaccines” 

        If you have been given the order, to take care of an epidemic. I don’t think it’s a good idea to lead off with an SOS to save your buts and then hand him 11 million dollars.

        I find it very strange, and unsettling that this indictment is real.  And can be viewed on line.  Yet in a Nation that prides it self on it’s freedoms in particular the freedom 
        of the press.   That this indictment of the lone person that gave the CDC proof that 
        the neural toxin used in children’s vaccines was indeed safe.           Why is it not! Breaking News!

                        

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Question:  why didn’t
          you post the autism numbers from Denmark?

          Answer #1:  because
          the reported numbers continued to increase in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004…..

          Answer #2:  because it
          would force you to admit the truth:  that
          after a decade the anti-vaccs are still unwilling or unable to  count correctly.

          You know, if you were to articulate an argument that didn’t
          insult the intelligence of the average kindergarten student, then maybe you
          wouldn’t have to make a fool of yourself with all the name calling.

          Thanks,

          W&N

          • ccdaddy57

            This is like shooting fish in barrel,  

            The email from Denmark clearly states as of 2001 the Autism rates are continuing to decline.      That means, they were not increasing
            up to that point.  Only after that point where Poul had a chance to do his hokus pokus and made the rates do what the CDC ordered “only interested in what will exonerate the CDC and vaccines”

            Just because a researcher, may have stolen almost 2 million
            in precious limited research dollars. Does not mean, he is not trustworthy.  Right W & N

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Funny, you still didn’t post the numbers for 2001, 2002, 2003 etc from Denmark…
             
            I wonder why you also didn’t post the e-mail from 2002…
             
            where the autism rate for kids born in 2001 had to be dropping because the kids born in 2001 were too young to be diagnosed yet with autism!!!
             
            Bottom line:  while it is sad that the anti-vaccs continue to lie to parents with this nonsense, after a decade of correcting this mind numbing idiocy.

             I think it is harmless because–short of being a blithering idiot–no one could possibility fall for it.
             
            W&N

          • ccdaddy57

            Your point is mute, if the Rates of Autism were 

            declining as of 2001. That means, the removal of Thimerosal was successful. And 10 yr’s later the 
            outcomes were in decline. Their words, not! mine. 

            Now that we have settled that, answer this. If it had 
            as Poul said; Thimerosal appears to have a neural 
            protective effect from Autism.   Why did they not! reinstate Thimerosal? if it was protecting children 
            from Autism?       That would be a no brainier,you would have healthier kids.   They, and no! country 
            that has removed it. ever!  put it back.        

          • White_and_Nerdy

            You claimed that autism rates were declining in 2001.
            You refuse to post the numbers because once again the anti-vaccs have been caught flat-out lying.
            You refuse to post the e-mail and continue to ignore the facts.
            Fact #1:  of course in 2002 the autism numbers from kids born in 2001 were dropping–these kids were still too young to get diagnosised.
            Fact #2:  the anti-vaccs continue to try and deceive parents with this.
            Bottom line:  the real issues left are for the courts to decide which of the anti-vaccs committed fraud. 
            And the way things are going legally/regulatory/ethically it is looking pretty black for the anti-vaccs.
            I wonder how many will end up as convicted felons?
            W&N

          • ccdaddy57

            Why would I post the numbers for 2001, 2002, 2003 etc from Denmark. That, is the fraudulent
            years.
             

          • ccdaddy57

            That’s why, the CDC and the ped’s are desperate to 
            get the people to vaccinate.  They are practically 
            begging, the parents to vaccinate.    All because
            we are not! being listen to.

            Paul Offit said, that” I think full disclosure is not a good idea”

            You see, even he knows. If you inform parents, about the true ingredients of vaccines.  You’ll have to chase them down, and pry the children from their arms to
            get them to vaccinate.  And if that happens, we, have officially left the land of the free.     

  • ccdaddy57

    Watch this and I can assure you if any sense you will never vaccinate again.

    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/02/21/obstetrician-dr-nancy-banks-on-infant-sacrifice-a-k-a-vaccination/ 

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Are you trying to make the anti-vaccs look silly?

      Most people understand that ob-gyn’s are not scientists.

      The only person you could find that supports the anti-vacc
      POV is an ignorant fool that made a joke of themselves.

      Good news:  almost all
      parents understand that their kid’s health is important enough to get their
      science from someone that understands the science.

      W&N

  • ciaparker2

    The reason thousands of parents are not vaccinating is that our children are being devastatingly damaged by vaccines. My baby was given the hep-B vaccine at the hospital when she was born, although I had told her doctor I didn’t want it. They didn’t even ask permission. She reacted with four days and nights of endless, inconsolable screaming, vaccine-induced encephalitis, and she was later diagnosed with autism. A congressional safety hearing a year before had found the vaccine to be very dangerous, and recommended that the mercury-containing version be discontinued. But they just wanted to use up what they had, so they shot my newborn up with mercury. No liability for them, though! Since vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe products,” according to the Supreme Court, people get them at their own risk, and none of the medical or pharmaceutical people bear any liability for damage caused by them.
    The MMR has caused countless thousands of children to develop autism. Even Brian Deer said a few months ago that he no longer believes that Dr. Andrew Wakefield committed fraud, so his study documenting the horrible onset of autism and bowel disease in nine of the children in the Lancet study shortly after the MMR must be taken seriously.
    The smallpox vaccine was very dangerous and ineffective. There were many raging epidemics of smallpox in Europe in the nineteenth century, occurring well after mandatory vaccination programs had been put into place in many European countries. People died by the hundreds of thousands of smallpox, even though between 90 and 100% of them had been appropriately vaccinated for smallpox. (see Wendy Lydall, Raising a Vaccine-Free Child and Jamie Murphy’s book). Smallpox disappeared not because of vaccination, but because that’s just what some diseases do. Bubonic plague has not been a big problem for centuries, nor leprosy. English sweating sickness, which killed many thousands in England for a century, including King Henry VIII’s brother Arthur, completely disappeared without a trace. Scarlet fever, formerly very common and a big killer, has disappeared without a vaccine for it.
    Measles is not a dangerous disease. I had it when I was six, in the 1960s, all children got it, and no one was afraid of it. In the outbreak in Europe last year, there were nine deaths, one in every three thousand. People with measles should stay in bed throughout and NOT take fever reducers like Tylenol, which greatly increase their chances of dying. In Minneapolis last March, there was an outbreak of measles in the Somali community. None of the children who got it died. Among their vaccinated siblings, the rate of autism is the second-highest in the world, one in 28. They have no word for autism in their language, because autism NEVER occurrred in Somalis before the days of MMR and hep-B vaccine.
    The pertussis vaccine causes asthma (see Manitoba study 1998). Pertussis is no longer a dangerous disease except in some young infants, who should be quarantined, since the vaccine is only 30-70% effective, so even vaccinated people can get and transmit the disease. The death rate from asthma has greatly increased in the last twenty years, and most of those who have asthma have the pertussis vaccine to thank for it.
    Kaylenne Matten died from a routine flu vaccine in December, Lisa Marks Smith was paralyzed for four years from one, Désirée Williams developed a seizure disorder from a flu vaccine which only permits her to move normally when she runs backwards.
    I reacted to a tetanus booster with brachioplexal neuropathy, both my arms were paralyzed for two days, and my dorm roommate had to help me eat and dress. I later developed multiple sclerosis, which did not exist before the smallpox vaccine in the early nineteenth century. Many of the reports made to the VAERS of reactions to the tetanus vaccine document cases of staggering, paralysis, and optic neuritis caused by the tetanus vaccine. I have often had staggering, paralysis of my left arm and leg for two months, optic neuritis, and double vision. I think the vaccine set into motion the autoimmune process which ended in my multiple sclerosis. France took the hep-B vaccine off the mandated schedule for school children because there were so many reports of multiple sclerosis developing shortly after getting the vaccine.
    For these reasons, many thousands of Americans are now refusing vaccines for our families. The vaccines are much more dangerous than the diseases, which are either routine childhood diseases or very rare. Thousands of us are pushing back against the pharmspeak which denies and dismisses all reports of vaccine damage so they can keep reaping mega-profits.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Big old yawn,

       

      Here is the actual Supreme Court Ruling:
      http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

      They did not rule that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.

      The court did exactly point out that all US families can sue
      for alleged vaccine injuries.

      The truth is that US families have sued in US civil
      courts and the courts have ruled that all the vaccines cause autism arguments
      are junk science. 

      http://www.astarcourts.net/Blackwell_v._Wyeth_408_Md._575.pdf

      In some cases they have even characterized those that claim
      vaccines cause autism as lying to get money.

      Anyone that spends ~30secs on-line can easily see that the
      anti-vaccs know that one can sue vaccine manufacturers–another example of them
      knowingly posting false information.  No
      surprise–this is how one runs a health care scam.

      Of course anyone that invests a few mins and goes line by
      line through your posting will see that you got basically everything wrong.

      I am sure we can count on you correct the anti-vaccs every
      time they post that one can’t sue vaccine manufacturers.

      Thanks,

      W&N

  • Ken Reibel

    Thanks, Jordan. You and most other journalists get it.

    That wasn’t always the case. When The Lancet published Mr. Andrew Wakefield’s fraudulent study in 1998, too many media outlets reported that vaccines had been found to cause autism. Even today Fox News gives equal time to the crackpots and conspiracy theorists who think Wakefield was onto something.

  • ciaparker2

    White and Nerdy,
    It was the yearly vaccine boosters recommended for several decades for dogs and cats that caused such an avalanche of cancer and autoimmune disorders which never happened before vaccines that made many veterinarians sit up and take notice, and either greatly reduce the number of vaccines they gave pets or stop vaccinating altogether. Read Dr. Pitcairn, Martin Goldstein, or Don Hamilton if you don’t believe me.

  • ciaparker2

    White and Nerdy,
    Knowingly argue falsehoods? What are you saying? That vaccines never cause encephalitis, even though the Merck Manual (the big vaccine company) says in its definition of encephalitis that vaccines can cause it? That encephalitiis does not cause brain damage? That children who get vaccines are not many times more likely to suffer from brain damage or a chronic autoimmune condition than unvaccinated children? That the death of one in three thousand from measles trumps one in every eighty-eight children with autism in the U.S.?
    Are you saying I did not rock my baby literally all night, baffled as to why she continued to scream and scream and scream without pause and refuse to nurse, for four days and nights? (My mother helped.) Are you saying she wasn’t diagnosed with autism at the Rusk Rehabilitation Center when she was twenty months old, or that she is not in a class for autistic children now? That my arms were not both paralyzed the day I got a tetanus booster when I was nineteen, or that I was not diagnosed with MS by MRI, or that I was not hospitalized with a paralyzing attack of MS in 1996? Which are the falsehoods you are referring to? I think in the face of the blazing authenticity of the testimony offered here, you owe it to your heritage as a fellow human being to drop the sarcastic sneering when you face us.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      It is really pretty simple.

      http://www.pfizerpro.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/wyeth_html/home/products/shared/docs/LymeVax.pdf

      ” For vaccination of healthy dogs 9 weeks of age or
      older… Thimerosal added as a preservative.”

      If you use Google you can easily see that not only is the
      claim that thimerosal was removed from canine vaccines a fabrication, you can
      also see that it was posted knowing it is untrue.

      But then the point is that that anti-vaccs prey upon people
      that can’t look up the death rate from measles,  or understand the logical error of a false dichotomy,
      etc, etc…

       

      W&N

  • bamagirl123

    The reason people want to blame vaccines is because they are given around the same time that Autism is most likely seen and diagnosed. The spike in Autism had been between 1996-2007. Vaccines have been given before that time frame. If it were the vaccines, then the rate of Autism would have spiked as soon as the vaccines began being given to children and that is not the case. People just need someone or something to blame rather than accepting that Autism is genetic and it’s no ones fault.

    • http://www.facebook.com/samuel.d.arnold Sam Arnold

      The real reason people want to blame vaccines is because they want to blame their powerlessness and ignorance on The Government and The Scientists who seem to have all the power and knowledge. It’s a side-effect of our highly specialized industrial society: we get better technology and have happier lives, but we must place a lot of trust in people whose faces we never see.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brad.erthal Brad Erthal

    Thanks for this. I’m sorry that the ridiculous anti-vaxers jumped down your throat. 

  • ccdaddy57

     Isn’t it strange, that W & N has all kinds of pharma propaganda at his finger tips.You say, we should go to prison.  And people who poison children by accident, learn what they did and decide the numbers will plummet on almost all chronic diseases.     That is, if it is removed to abruptly.  So, they decide we will just keep the mercury going in the children. But they cannot use regular vaccines anymore to deliver the heavy metal.   So we will declare, that pregnant women and children 6 mos. to 2 yr’s must get their flu shots.      Even if they contain, the exact same mercury they just took out.  In case you did not catch that, they just decided after removing Thimerosal for a prudent measure. To go, right back into children.   Even, earlier.All the while knowing this; That children 6 mos. to 2 yr’s get absolutely not benefit from the inactivated flu vaccine except that of a placebo effect.   She the CDC Dir., also knew that on the Manufacturer safety data sheet of the mercury based preservative that was used in children’s vaccines[ Thimerosal ] it states that pregnant womenare never supposed to be exposed to Thimerosal for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe retardation.Premeditated, seems to come to mind here. and you think we should go to prison?If that is not enough proof, how about a meeting called Simpson Wood where those in attendance from the FDA CDC AAP WHO and all vaccine manufacturer’s were discussing that you would not want to ever go any earlier with the Thimerosal or you would certainly get more out comes.Because the earlier you go with Mercury, the more vulnerable to neurological damage the child’s brain would be.   Here’s one for you W an N, it’s said if you put 1 drop of Mercury in a lake it will be contaminated.Since the child’s brain is 80 % water, how is it you can put 10′s of thousands of ppb of injected mercury by just 1 hep – b at birth and do no! damage.  Don’t bother trying to say it does not cross the BBB because an NIH study done on baby primates reveals it the Vaccineal Mercury Thimerosal crosses the BBB easier than does the fish mercury.And then this, Manufacturer states on their own MSDS that Thimerosal is accumulative in the body, and it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain.W & N why would the manufacturer say it targets “in particular the Brain and the lining around the brain”?  It appears it must cross the BBB, to target the Brain.  And I would assume, that those who made this preservative Thimerosal could be trusted to know their own product and it’s biological characteristics.  Don’t you think?