Toomer’s Corner trees poisoned at Auburn

Toomer's Corner is typically rolled with toilet paper by Auburn fans after football victories. / Photo courtesy of Auburn University

After the oaks surrounding Toomer’s Corner were deliberately dosed with an herbicide designed to kill trees, it is doubtful that they will survive, Auburn University reported Wednesday.

Toomer’s Corner is most notably known as the epicenter of celebration after AU victories, and during these celebrations, fans line the trees — which are believed to be more than 130 years old — with toilet paper.

The city of Auburn Police Division is investigating the situation, and the application of this herbicide, known as Spike 80DF, or tebuthiuron, is also governed by state agricultural laws and the Environmental Protection Agency, according to a release on Auburn University’s website.

In January, a man called The Paul Finebaum Show, a nationally syndicated radio show based in Birmingham, and said he had dosed the trees with the herbicide. The caller expressed anger at a Cam Newton jersey appearing on Paul “Bear” Bryant’s statue during Iron Bowl weekend last year.

“Let me tell you what I did,” the caller said. “The weekend after the Iron Bowl, I went to Auburn, Alabama and I poisoned the two Toomer’s trees…they’re not dead yet but they definitely will die…roll damn tide.”

Following the claim, the soil surrounding the trees was tested for the poison, yielding positive results.

Gary Keever, an Auburn professor of horticulture who is also a member of the Auburn Tree Preservation Committee, said the extent of the damage is being assessed.

“We are also focused on protecting the other trees and shrubs in Samford Park,” Keever said. “At this level, the impact could be much greater than just the oaks on the corner, as Spike moves through the soil to a wide area.”

Rectifying the situation involves digging trenches and absorbing the herbicide using activated charcoal, which also serves to block its progress, according to al.com.

“We will take every step we can to save the Toomer’s oaks, which have been the home of countless celebrations and a symbol of the Auburn spirit for generations of Auburn students, fans, alumni and the community,” AU President Jay Gogue said. “It is understandable to feel outrage in reaction to a malicious act of vandalism. However, we should live up to the example we set in becoming national champions and the beliefs expressed in our Auburn Creed. Individuals act alone, not on behalf of anyone or any place, and all universities are vulnerable to and condemn such reprehensible acts.”

Those with information regarding the attack can anonymously contact the Auburn Police Division at 334-501-3110 or text the tip line at 334-246-1391.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amanda.heidbreder Amanda M Heidbreder

    I am a BAMA alum as well as a fierce BAMA fan. Without a doubt, however, I am not alone in condemning this malicious (criminal) act. It served no purpose whatsoever and I hope that AU fans take the high road and do not retaliate. There is good fun rivalry but this act doesn’t even slightly resemble anything good or fun. Every school has their traditions that are unique to that institution and those traditions become heartwarming memories for all generations. To forever destroy something so special and symbolic to others is unforgiveable. How many wedding proposals happened under those majestic live oaks? God save the live oaks at Toomer’s Corner!

    • Anonymous

      You are really dumb Heidreder. I heard you get a free bowl of soup with a degree from the university of Alabama., Was it good? Also is there a rebate on the back of your Alabama degree, I heard its good for one free Miller High Life at your local tavern, better redeem it!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1203270243 Ben Price

    As an Auburn student, I’d just like to say that I hope the student bodies and Alumni of both schools can work together to stop these ridiculous hate acts. I love our rivalry, and it can be very intense at times, but these types of things have gone too far, we can all agree to that. I realize that many of these schools’ fans may have not actually attended either university, so let’s just try and see if we can take a stand and take a stance with our collective voices to re-civilize the rivalry so our kids, grandkids, but most importantly WE can enjoy football without the fear of personal or public harm and attacks.

    It was great for the state to have back to back champions, and now we’ve embarrassed Sweet Home with this atrocity that the nation is watching and making fun of “all them uneducated rednecks who only care about football”

    It’s time for change, students. War Eagle and Roll Tide.

  • http://twitter.com/Nauj010 Sam’Juan Q Smith

    I Would Like To Say To Auburn ,That Us As Students And As An University Are Outraged At The Reckless Destruction Of The Oak Trees,We Do Not Applaud The Action Of Someone Of Such Ignorance,Whether it Was Retaliation Or Just a Prank It Is Not Acceptable. And To The Person Who Did This,This Rival Thing Is Not That Serious , We As Students From Both Schools Don’t Take It That Seriously , So Neither Should You .
    Roll Tide and War Eagle

  • Anonymous

    Idiots… I think the best solution is to place a huge wall around the state of Alabama and pay Mexico to take it off our hands. The nation will be better off… Most of the nation doesn’t expect much from U of Alabama or the Auburn communities, given both “schools” are basically community colleges with dorms and D-1 athletics, but killing historic trees over football?, just freaking stupid. Its people from states like this which gives Americans a bad name. Since most citizens of Alabama have never left their state none the less left the country they don’t understand what their actions mean on the international stage (would be shocked if 50% of Alabama knew what the word international meant). Please stop worrying about football and read a book once in a while and not your KKK manuals or Pre-Season Guide to Alabama Football, read something of significance. God bless you people.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OW3EZWEANENHAMWZGEFAGQUVC4 Maria

      Dixieidiots, why don’t you stop acting all high and mighty and learn a thing or two about the schools you’re commenting on before leaving such an ignorant post? I’m not caught up on all my Auburn facts, but I do know that Alabama has a large number of Rhodes Scholars, among other accomplishments. Yes, the poisoning of those trees is ridiculous. However, that was the action of one idiot who during his call-in to the radio station claimed he was from Texas originally. As for your comment about travel, plenty of Alabamians have traveled outside of the state, even if it’s just for away games.

      I’m curious as to where you’re from, since you believe your state to be so superior to Alabama. I’m assuming somewhere in New England where crime is rampant and the sense of community has all but disappeared.

      • Anonymous

        From San Diego, living in NYC…hysterical, Rhodes Scholars!! Is that per capita? What other accomplishments? Nobel prizes winners? (no) Name me just 5 Alabama alumni who are execs in the Fortune 50? (hint there are none) Did any Alabama alumni found companies that changed the way we lived like Google, Facebook etc? No. So please tell me, what accomplishments other than finding innovative ways for baring “colored” people from attending classes there. So funny, while most of the nation’s elite schools were busy with tasks like putting the first man on the moon, U of Alabama was busy with finding the most effective way of keeping people of other races out. …and yes, my home state is superior to yours (you have a computer to type on and a internet to use because of my state). I can sense you sense of community in Alabama, with killing trees and writing racist slurs on sidewalks…some community. In NY and CA that is a hate crime, in AL its a way of life. Maria please read a book once in a while, you are not very enlightened and have no business trying to argue with someone who is significantly better educated than you. Please stick with your Alabama football pre-season guides and KKK manuals and leave the world’s significant problems up to educated world (not yours).

        • Anonymous

          It is much easier to sit back and spew vitriolic rhetoric than actually *do* something about it. I moved to Alabama *on purpose* in order to make a difference, to educate and to achieve equality. If you have nothing more to contribute than your opinion, please shut the heck up. If you would like to come and offer your actual services in order to make life better for the disenfranchised of Alabama, then we’ll listen.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LUIT4MVNTY3YNEQXMVXM6FSPYM Amanda Heidbreder

          By the way, what was your role in the advent of the computer? Google? Facebook? Putting man on the moon? (by the way, do you have the first clue about what goes on in Huntsville,AL ? Why don’t you go Google NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center) Just because you lived in a certain state doesn’t make you a Google/Facebook/Computer pioneer any more than walking into a garage makes you a car. You look quite foolish trying to ride the coat tails of those who happened to be in the same geographical region of the country as you.
          UAB Medical Center is always listed in the top 100 medical centers in the US and probably has one of THE busiest kidney transplant centers in the world. It is tops in other areas as well.
          Professional athletes come to Birmingham ALL THE TIME to have James Andrews, MD do their orthopedic surgery at St. Vincent’s Hospital. Go Google James Andrews, MD.
          Regarding your racial references, please go Google Tuskegee Airmen National Historic Sight.
          Sounds like you have a lot of self-educating to do…so why don’t you get on with it!
          In closing, you obviously have no clue about Alabama and I’m guessing, have never been there based on your ignorant verbiage. But please, the likes of your kind have no place in ‘Alabama the Beautiful’. Stay where you are!
          Aloha, Roll Tide, and God Bless!

          • Anonymous

            Wow you people are clueless… I agree dixieidiots is a bit extreme in his/her opinions of Alabama, but dixieidiots has a point. What Amanada Heibreder said is nothing ground breaking, its small beans relative to the accomplishments of elite public schools like UC Berkley, Michigan , Virgina, UNCs of the nation. In the grand scheme of things, yes U of Alabama isn’t much of a school (either is Auburn). It has an ugly past, non-selective admission, poor job placement, none of the major publications who rank schools has U of Alabama anywhere near the top and a terrible recruitment landscape. Won’t see elite firms like Goldman Sachs, McKinsey Consulting, Boston Consulting etc.. recruiting at Alabama. I can see why people think southerners are unenlightened given all these responses. Top 100 medical center? You want to know why the south has such busy hospitals in general? Its also the fattest and least healthy portion of the USA (I work in the pharma industry). Not because the world’st finest medical minds are in the south. Think about southern hospitals as “busy work”, no innovation but busy treating sick people. Having one orthopedic surgeon who specializes in sports medicine doesn’t make the entire medical center anything special. When you have kings and foreign leaders of other nations coming to your hospital, then you got something special. None go to Alabama, I bet the State Department doesn’t even want any foreign dignitary to go to Alabama since the state is an complete embarrassment to the USA. The top orthopedic center is the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota. Alabama and the south in general are the racist hot spots in America, Tuskegee Airmen or not, its a fact you people have to face, YOUR STATE IS ONE OF THE MOST RACIST IN AMERICA. Amanda, you are a classic example of why people think southerners are basically dumb . Your responses are idiotic and I think we are all now dumber for reading it. Thank you Amanda Heidbreder for you incoherent rambling of stupid “facts”and yes Roll Tide moron.

            “Alabama the Beautiful” very funny, one of the least educated, fattest and one of the poorest states in America?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7MS23GHZLF4RTBK4B4ELDKH5OQ Schroeder

          I also forgot to add that an Auburn graduate who is currently a retired CEO of the world’s largest electric utility served diligently on a committee to advert further blackouts in NYC like the one of some years ago. So think about it. A born and raised Alabaman and graduate of Auburn, ahem, “community college” actually served to save New Yorker’s from themselves!

        • Anonymous

          Ever hear of a book called To Kill a Mockingbird? It was written by a lady by the name of Nell Harper Lee. She just so happens to be from the state of Alabama. It has won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 1961, It’s still on the Bestseller’s List, she also received The Presidential Medal of Freedom because of the book. Now, I know you asked for at least 5 Nobel Prize winners. But the fact that you said Alabama didn’t have any accomplished citizens and me just giving you one makes you ignorant.

          Now, about the computer thing you brought up, (and by the way, what was your contributions to this groundbreaking technology?) Recently, Steve Jobs has been in a leave of absence due to medical reasons. He appointed a man by the name of Tim Cook to run daily operations as the Chief Operating Officer (Of course with Steve being the CEO, he will give the final say on important decisions). You may be asking “Who is Tim Cook?” Well if you go to the Apple website, you will find a bio of Tim. He earned an M.B.A from Duke University (North Carolina, aka a southern state). He also, now brace yourself, earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Industrial Engineering from Auburn University. That’s right, Apple is being run by a college graduate from the state of Alabama. Steve Jobs however, is a college dropout.

          As far as racial tensions go. Since you pride yourself from being a California native, can you tell me all about how your state mistreated all of the Japanese immigrants during World War II. Why don’t you go research Executive Order 9066 and get back to me on all of that.

          Question for y’all (sorry, couldn’t resist): What is a stuck-up liberal yankee doing on a newspaper website for an Alabama college? Don’t you have a pro-abortion rally or Go-Green rally you have to attend?

        • Anonymous

          wikipedia…just saying.

        • Anonymous

          Hey dixeidiots,
          Im from san diego, california too and i find you to be a complete disgrace to our state. People like you are why so many people believe that people from CA are a bunch of stuck up idiots. From your repetitive insults and your obvious lack of any real knowledge about the places and schools you are bashing you show that your just another piece of trash that epitomizes the “stupid American” many other countries see.

        • Anonymous

          Hey dixeidiots,
          Im from san diego, california too and i find you to be a complete disgrace to our state. People like you are why so many people believe that people from CA are a bunch of stuck up idiots. From your repetitive insults and your obvious lack of any real knowledge about the places and schools you are bashing you show that your just another piece of trash that epitomizes the “stupid American” many other countries see.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7MS23GHZLF4RTBK4B4ELDKH5OQ Schroeder

        I will add that Auburn leads the nation in graduates hired into the NASA corps of astronauts … six to be exact and I know at least 2 of them have been in space. One of which was the Apollo 13 commander! Quite an accomplishment dor a community college!!!

        • Anonymous

          That’s neat! Did not know that about the NASA corps of astronauts! Thanks for posting, even though the purpose of posting it stemmed from a knuckle-head’s clueless rant!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7MS23GHZLF4RTBK4B4ELDKH5OQ Schroeder

        I will add that Auburn leads the nation in graduates hired into the NASA corps of astronauts … six to be exact and I know at least 2 of them have been in space. One of which was the Apollo 13 commander! Quite an accomplishment dor a community college!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LUIT4MVNTY3YNEQXMVXM6FSPYM Amanda Heidbreder

      ‘He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. Shun him.’

      It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt. -Lincoln

      I am not from Alabama but I chose to attend the University of Alabama. I have lived in Los Angeles, and currently live in Honolulu, HI. There are a lot of military bases in HI and a lot of people from Alabama serving this country so idiots like you can ramble on and on and on about things of which you know nothing. At the moment, I am working in Alaska, where I have met several others from Alabama…all working in a very lucrative, high level profession.

      You are obviously misinformed and not wise enough to know how embarrassed you should be for yourself. You are definitely ‘the fool’ referenced in the above quotes and ‘we shun you’.

      Aloha and have a blessed day!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKUMK6VF337KAYT6XYIDNQVDDA Amy Furlong

      My first reaction to your post was to ignore it because you obvious are looking for a reaction. But my second reaction was to defend my state. I say my state because while I wasn’t born and raised here, my husband and I moved here over 20 years ago by choice. This is a beautiful, gracious state which you have no clue about. Having lived in several areas of the United States I can honestly say that this is the least racist place I know of. Alabamians are gentle by nature, gracious and humble. The majority of people I know living here are not from here but have chosen to move here because of the wonderful lifestyle.

      You are spouting off in ignorance. Learn some facts before you try to act holier than thou. The man who poisoned the historic trees isn’t even from here.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKUMK6VF337KAYT6XYIDNQVDDA Amy Furlong

      My first reaction to your post was to ignore it because you obvious are looking for a reaction. But my second reaction was to defend my state. I say my state because while I wasn’t born and raised here, my husband and I moved here over 20 years ago by choice. This is a beautiful, gracious state which you have no clue about. Having lived in several areas of the United States I can honestly say that this is the least racist place I know of. Alabamians are gentle by nature, gracious and humble. The majority of people I know living here are not from here but have chosen to move here because of the wonderful lifestyle.

      You are spouting off in ignorance. Learn some facts before you try to act holier than thou. The man who poisoned the historic trees isn’t even from here.

    • Anonymous

      dixeidiots: If you are from San Diego, perhaps you have heard of Sun Microsytems? Maybe even Apple Computer even though it is located a bit north of your home. Apple is currently being led by an Auburn grad while Mr. Jobs is on medical leave…. and Sun’s first president was an Auburn grad.

      You might do just a little research before you demonstrate your ignorance so boldly. And btw, I am a gradute of Auburn and Alabama and have traveled to every state except Minnesota….to England, Italy, Greece, France, Spain, Malta, India, Haiti, Trinidad, Tobago, Venezuela, Colombia, Costa Rico, Mexico, Canada, Panama, Bimini, tired of listing them…..ALL of these were for pleasure, not one trip was for business. You remind me of the “learned gentleman” I flew back from San Francisco with a few years ago. He was making some similar comments about the “Atlanta airport” and wondering if it could possibly accommodate his need to get to his connecting flight….after all Atlanta is in the south, right? I didn’t feel the need to tell him the Atlanta airport is the busiest in the world and at LEAST four times the size of San Francisco’s. I just let him see for himself. Perhaps your own pathetic ignorance might be similarly addressed and your “knowledge” expanded if you were to seek before you speak.

      Just a quick look on Google would show you things like this:

      “An Auburn graduate is the new head man at Apple.
      Tim Cook will run the Seattle-based company while co-founder and
      chief executive Steve Jobs takes a medical leave of absence until
      the end of June.
      Jobs made the announcement Wednesday.
      A native of Alabama, the 48-year-old Cook graduated from Auburn
      University in 1982 with an engineering degree. He is said to still
      be a huge fan of Auburn’s football team.
      Before joining Apple in 1998, Cook worked at IBM Corp. for 12
      years and spent a short time at Compaq Computer.
      It’s a road Cook has been down before, having run Apple for two
      months in 2004 while Jobs recovered from surgery for pancreatic
      cancer.”

      ” Mr. Owen Brown graduated from Auburn University with a BSME degree in June 1964 and immediately entered the US Navy’s Nuclear Power Training Program and Submarine Service. …. Mr. Brown graduated from the Executive Program of the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College in July 1981.

      Mr. Brown joined Sun Microsystems, Inc. in April 1983 as President and COO during its start-up phase and was credited with the building of the very strong sales organization as well as the senior management team that launched the success of the Company. Subsequently, he has served in senior management roles as Vice President of Xerox Corporation and CEO of three companies in Silicon Valley in computer hardware and software businesses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Fulton/100000019043153 Dan Fulton

    Coach Bryant taught “class” and “character.”
    He expected “class” and “character” to be
    exemplified by The University of Alabama.
    The incident at Toomer’s Corner is completely
    contrary to Bryant and the
    Tradition of Alabama Football.
    See:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvh6x-XgTmM

  • Anonymous

    As an Auburn fan attending the University of Alabama, I am proud of the students of UA for continually showing their class and character. Having previously attended Auburn University, there is really not much difference between the two. We are both such similar schools. Why does it seem we hate each other so much? Again, I applaud the UA students for holding onto their class and agreeing that this man is an idiot. War Eagle and Roll Tide.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Jinks/100000167271423 Michael Jinks

    As an alum (BSEE ”76) I feel the good name of UOA has been sullied by this senseless act of hate. I repudiate such vileness–not at my university!

    As a past citizen of Alabama, I stand proudly but now disconcerted, with my brethren and kin for a great Auburn University. War Eagle! 2011 National Champions-bravo!

    Further, I stand together with ALL who would right this wrong and pledge my resources for doing so. As a statement of these intentions, I will proudly wear an Auburn garment for the next month as an outward sign of solidarity and support for the Plainsmen.

    I would implore others who love our University to seek ways to protect our course and ever forage ahead on a righteous path.

  • Anonymous

    Charles Barkely even admits the south is stupid:

    “We’re from Alabama — you can’t make this s— up,” said former Auburn basketball star Charles Barkley. “Some things just happen there, and people want to know why we rank 48th in education. It’s just sad. I would have felt better about it if it was a young kid. But an old man who has nothing better to do? That’s just sad.”

    – This type of behavior is actually expect from people in Alabama (from AL or not, stupid people are attracted to stupid places like AL).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MXDFB3RYNJLOZUAWERZOFYQCG4 Amanda Heidbreder

      So you think that whatever Charles Barkley says has any merit? Really? Is that the best you can do?

      That would be the same Charles Barkley who announced on the Jay Leno show that he wanted to run for mayor of Leeds, AL (his hometown, “the greatest place in the world” he stated:) He then went on to say that he was interested in running for governor of Alabama ‘down the line’…neither of which came to fruition.

      You picked a real winner there with regard to someone talking the talk and actually walking the walk!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/LaMarcus-Valenzuela/100000669666502 LaMarcus Valenzuela

      California was recently voted as the third-dumbest state in America. But when you actually visit the state, does it appear to be the third-dumbest state in America? Absolutely not. Try visiting Alabama and it’ll appear another average American state.

      People are quick to target Alabama whenever news breaks of an idiot committing a silly crime, yet when it (frequently) happens in New York, California, or Florida, it’s just normal. Why? Perhaps that’s because there are way more idiots in those three states than there are Alabama.By the way, the pot is calling the kettle back. Before you begin referring to another state as “dumb” or “stupid”, please proofread your comments before posting. If you , if you can’t spot out the grammatical errors, then perhaps you should sue your university’s English department (assuming you even attended college).

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, dixeidiots…

    Forgot to add…since you’re in NY now….you’ve heard of Manhattan? Ever heard of Time-Warner? And the former Chairman, Don Logan? Well, he too is an Auburn grad. What about The New York Times….a fairly well-known newspaper in your area? Howell Raines, the Editor? University of Alabama grad.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MXDFB3RYNJLOZUAWERZOFYQCG4 Amanda Heidbreder

    This entire forum seems to have been rudely interrupted by some ignorant and very misinformed souls who are yammering about what they think Alabama and its universities are all about. The focus of this ‘blog’ is about the unfortunate decision of one individual who maliciously committed a criminal act . The posts that have any legitimacy are from the people who live in or have ever lived in the Heart of Dixie. The others, well, let them think what they may; they provide entertainment to us and bring a whole new definition to the word “ignorance”. And yes, I want to know also, why are they on this website. Obviously, there is not too much going on in their lives of much importance…just 2 pathetic coat tail riders with too much time on their hands!

  • Anonymous

    I’m thinking that ‘dixieidiots’ and ‘Allstar2000′ are user IDs belonging to the same person based on the similar wretched syntax, grammar, the need to mention names of other institutions of higher learning, and the racial references. Sounds like the other ‘bloggers’ provided some pretty concrete evidence (not that any is really needed) to shed light on the foolishness that is amongst us!
    I agree, these ‘intruders’ seemed to go a bit off course regarding the topic of interest. My Rx for them would be some anger management and doing your homework about a topic before you announce to the world how clueless you are about that particular topic. Otherwise, what you have to say has no importance or merit.

    p.s. I know for a fact that certain royalty and VERY famous people have come to Birmingham (and continue to do so) for medical treatment so right off the bat, you’re ramble is incorrect!

  • Anonymous

    From an Yankee living in Alabama:

    Born and raised in Winnetka, IL, a north shore suburb of Chicago. I did my undergrad in biomedical engineering at the University of Michigan and my MD at the Feinburg School of Medicine, Northwestern’s Medical School, yes, proudly all Big Ten here. I have been currently been living in Birmingham, Alabama for the last 4 years doing my residency. I had to read this story for myself since everyone at work is talking about this and I stumbled upon the blog with all this controversy. Most of our nurses are Alabama graduates/fans and freaking out about this whole poisoning tree thing since they think the world will hate Alabama more than it already does. My take on the whole race thing in Alabama is that it isn’t as bad as the most of the public thinks it is. But again, I’m white and might not feel the brunt of it as many minorities claim they do here. I actually heard more racial slurs in the one week I spent on spring break in Miami, Florida than I heard in the last 4 years I have been in Alabama. Is Alabama the most happening place? No. Is Alabama the most cultured place? Not by a long shot. Is Alabama the most racist state? No. Its impossible. But one catch, I do firmly believe Alabama’s Universities are very racist relative to other non-southern schools. My 4 years at Michigan, there was not one race related incident. Everyone was a Wolverine, Greeks and non-Greeks. Black, White, Asian, Eskimo, blah blah… were well represented in the Greek System and student government.

    Chalking racial slurs on sidewalks and walls would of been considered unspeakable. An example I heard about an incident at Purdue University a year or so ago. A paper noose was found in a library, the next day at Purdue the entire campus was in absolute shock; the administration, student government, Purdue police and the county’s DAs office were all put into action to find the culprit. Not only that, the 10 other Big Ten schools in unison spoke out against racism and that no Big Ten school will tolerate it. Joe Pa himself from Penn State even went on the record against it. This is an example of the response to racism most people come to expect, but at Alabama’s public universities its more like “lets hide this incident” or very common response “racism is everywhere, not just in Alabama”. It more about your response to these acts and frankly Alabama’s universities don’t respond well at all. That paper noose? Well an Asian International student came forward a day latter to say she made it. She was making an origami boat which was detailed with ropes and one had fallen off. She understandably had no idea that noose was offensive and meant no harm, most then laughed at the incident, but the Purdue community and Big Ten community were proud of the response as was popular opinion.

    Conclusion, yes Alabama has it fair share of problems as many other states. Overall the people of Alabama are friendly and down to earth. Yes there are some racists here from what I have read and maybe more than states up north, but not that many. I think Alabama’s universities still have some major strides to make though. Its great they have came where they are but there is still tons and tons of work left to be done. If these schools really want to attract top students from around the nation, they have their work cut out for them. This is my take on the whole thing, I know its long, but I have nothing better to do until i get paged.

    A fun fact about race: Skin color is a trait, not a race. Its like saying everyone with blue eyes are their own race. Race has nothing to do with skin color. Skin pigment also called melanin creates what we perceive as skin color. Its really just natures sun block. Darker skinned people have ancestors who lived in bright sunny places while light skinned people came from places where sun light was limited. The first homo sapiens on earth were all dark skinned and as different sets transversed the world their skin lightened to allow more sun light through the skin since we need sun light to make vitamin D, at the time, our primary source of vitamin D…

    • Anonymous

      I am so sorry, but I just can’t help but comment (in the parentheticals) on a few noteworthy points you made.

      “Chalking racial slurs on sidewalks and walls would of (“would have”) been considered unspeakable. An example I heard about an incident at Purdue University a year or so ago. (Sorry….sentence fragment).

      “Its (“It ‘s” since this is a contraction of “It is”) great they have came (“have come”) where they are but there is (“are”) still tons and tons of work left to be done.”

      “This is my take on the whole thing, I know its (again, the contraction for “it is” is “it’s”) long, but I have nothing better to do until i get paged. (Your comma needs to be changed to a period. Semi-colon doesn’t work since the sentences are not related. I am assuming the “i” is a typo…unlike your grammatical slips.)

      Gee, I am relieved I wasn’t educated among the top students in the nation. Or, could it be that grammar rules have changed and no one thought to notify the teachers in Alabama? Are we behind again?

      OMG….do you really think we need to be educated about melanin???!! The ignorance of some people is astounding.

      • Anonymous

        Dixiegenius is definitely insecure about his or her intelligence. Didn’t know blogs had to be in perfect English, to the normal person, its just to communicate ideas. Dixegenius be sure to proof read all other posts with feedback on grammar, syntax and other linguistic deficiencies you see. We can’t wait. (And no, top students do not consider Alabama typically):

        TYPICAL STUDENT COLLEGE SHOPPING LISTS LOOK LIKE:

        SUPER STUDENT:

        1.) Harvard
        2.) Yale
        3.) Princeton
        4.) Stanford
        5.) University of Chicago

        GREAT STUDENT:

        1.) Duke
        2.) Notre Dame
        3.) Northwestern
        4.) University of California, Berkley
        5.) University of Virginia

        GOOD STUDENT:

        1.) UCLA
        2.) USC
        3.) The public Big Ten schools
        4.) University of North Carolina
        5.) University of Washington

        THE ALABAMA UNDERGRAD SHOPPING LIST TYPICALLY LOOKED LIKE:

        1.) Beauty School
        2.) Community College (learning to weld or book keeping)
        3.) Devry
        4.) ITT
        5.) University of Alabama

        I know you morons will now claim you passed over Harvard or Stanford for Alabama, but who are you trying to kid? Funny your Honors college student profile is like the average student at the typical GOOD STUDENT SCHOOL. ACT comp of 28 which is Alabama’s Honors college average is equal to most campus averages at true top publics. Meaning, in theory, a regular student say at UCLA or Purdue would most likely be an Honors student at Alabama.

        * Dixiegenius, please correct my English… I left some mistakes for you. Can you find them? Also if you can, after your KKK meeting and watching your NASCAR race, give me some constructive feedback on how I can communicate the idea that University of Alabama is a racist, backwards, joke of a “school”? Thanks genius!!

        • Anonymous

          I followed a link on Facebook and ended up here. I’m new to the game, but had to say my two cents about “my” state.

          I’m not sure why it matters who’s college is better, who went where, who invented what, who’s state has a better history, blah blah blah.

          When it comes down to it, whether you get your english, math, science, whatever, degree from an Alabama university or Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, etc… In the end, it’s a degree. You’ve probably learned about the same authors, equations, formulas as every other university in the country (except there’s a higher chance that your top school professors will have ridiculous accents, making it much harder to understand what you’re learning).

          I’ve visited Yale when my friend attended and she hated it so much that she moved home and ended up going to UAB.

          I don’t understand what the bid deal is… People go to school where they want to go to school, where it’s financially feasible for them to go, or who gives them the best scholarship. There’s nothing wrong with community colleges or technical schools. I’m sure multiple people on here have gotten hair cuts, had xrays taken, been to the vet and had an assistant help take care of their animal, had your dental hygenist clean your teeth… All those are things you learn at technical school and that doesn’t make them any less of a person than someone that went to Brown or Columbia. As long as you have a job that pays you, you can take care of yourself and your family, in the end.. That’s all that matters.

          In my own opinion, I would much rather be able to have multiple majors from an Alabama school to add to my resume; rather than barely scraping by with a C average english degree at Harvard. In the end, what have I learned? That if I spend less money and stay closer to home I can excel academically vs. having to sell multiple organs, my car, and my sister, so I can go to an “elite” school and sit in an auditorium with 400 people and not understand what’s going on? I’d pick Alabama over Yale or Harvard any day. If not because of the school, definitely because of the snow.

          Yes, people in Alabama are racist. So are people in Mississippi, Georgia, New York, California, Canada, Egypt, Brazil… There are racists everywhere and that’s just how it goes.

          I’m not trying to defend my state or my beliefs. I just don’t understand why someone who isn’t from Alabama is trying to convince people who live here, that we are less superior.

          Anyways. Roll Tide. Good luck, guys.

          ps. I’m sure there are all kinds of grammatical and punctuation errors. What do y’all expect? I’m only from Alabama.

        • Anonymous

          I followed a link on Facebook and ended up here. I’m new to the game, but had to say my two cents about “my” state.

          I’m not sure why it matters who’s college is better, who went where, who invented what, who’s state has a better history, blah blah blah.

          When it comes down to it, whether you get your english, math, science, whatever, degree from an Alabama university or Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, etc… In the end, it’s a degree. You’ve probably learned about the same authors, equations, formulas as every other university in the country (except there’s a higher chance that your top school professors will have ridiculous accents, making it much harder to understand what you’re learning).

          I’ve visited Yale when my friend attended and she hated it so much that she moved home and ended up going to UAB.

          I don’t understand what the bid deal is… People go to school where they want to go to school, where it’s financially feasible for them to go, or who gives them the best scholarship. There’s nothing wrong with community colleges or technical schools. I’m sure multiple people on here have gotten hair cuts, had xrays taken, been to the vet and had an assistant help take care of their animal, had your dental hygenist clean your teeth… All those are things you learn at technical school and that doesn’t make them any less of a person than someone that went to Brown or Columbia. As long as you have a job that pays you, you can take care of yourself and your family, in the end.. That’s all that matters.

          In my own opinion, I would much rather be able to have multiple majors from an Alabama school to add to my resume; rather than barely scraping by with a C average english degree at Harvard. In the end, what have I learned? That if I spend less money and stay closer to home I can excel academically vs. having to sell multiple organs, my car, and my sister, so I can go to an “elite” school and sit in an auditorium with 400 people and not understand what’s going on? I’d pick Alabama over Yale or Harvard any day. If not because of the school, definitely because of the snow.

          Yes, people in Alabama are racist. So are people in Mississippi, Georgia, New York, California, Canada, Egypt, Brazil… There are racists everywhere and that’s just how it goes.

          I’m not trying to defend my state or my beliefs. I just don’t understand why someone who isn’t from Alabama is trying to convince people who live here, that we are less superior.

          Anyways. Roll Tide. Good luck, guys.

          ps. I’m sure there are all kinds of grammatical and punctuation errors. What do y’all expect? I’m only from Alabama.

        • Anonymous

          I followed a link on Facebook and ended up here. I’m new to the game, but had to say my two cents about “my” state.

          I’m not sure why it matters who’s college is better, who went where, who invented what, who’s state has a better history, blah blah blah.

          When it comes down to it, whether you get your english, math, science, whatever, degree from an Alabama university or Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, etc… In the end, it’s a degree. You’ve probably learned about the same authors, equations, formulas as every other university in the country (except there’s a higher chance that your top school professors will have ridiculous accents, making it much harder to understand what you’re learning).

          I’ve visited Yale when my friend attended and she hated it so much that she moved home and ended up going to UAB.

          I don’t understand what the bid deal is… People go to school where they want to go to school, where it’s financially feasible for them to go, or who gives them the best scholarship. There’s nothing wrong with community colleges or technical schools. I’m sure multiple people on here have gotten hair cuts, had xrays taken, been to the vet and had an assistant help take care of their animal, had your dental hygenist clean your teeth… All those are things you learn at technical school and that doesn’t make them any less of a person than someone that went to Brown or Columbia. As long as you have a job that pays you, you can take care of yourself and your family, in the end.. That’s all that matters.

          In my own opinion, I would much rather be able to have multiple majors from an Alabama school to add to my resume; rather than barely scraping by with a C average english degree at Harvard. In the end, what have I learned? That if I spend less money and stay closer to home I can excel academically vs. having to sell multiple organs, my car, and my sister, so I can go to an “elite” school and sit in an auditorium with 400 people and not understand what’s going on? I’d pick Alabama over Yale or Harvard any day. If not because of the school, definitely because of the snow.

          Yes, people in Alabama are racist. So are people in Mississippi, Georgia, New York, California, Canada, Egypt, Brazil… There are racists everywhere and that’s just how it goes.

          I’m not trying to defend my state or my beliefs. I just don’t understand why someone who isn’t from Alabama is trying to convince people who live here, that we are less superior.

          Anyways. Roll Tide. Good luck, guys.

          ps. I’m sure there are all kinds of grammatical and punctuation errors. What do y’all expect? I’m only from Alabama.

        • Anonymous

          I followed a link on Facebook and ended up here. I’m new to the game, but had to say my two cents about “my” state.

          I’m not sure why it matters who’s college is better, who went where, who invented what, who’s state has a better history, blah blah blah.

          When it comes down to it, whether you get your english, math, science, whatever, degree from an Alabama university or Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, etc… In the end, it’s a degree. You’ve probably learned about the same authors, equations, formulas as every other university in the country (except there’s a higher chance that your top school professors will have ridiculous accents, making it much harder to understand what you’re learning).

          I’ve visited Yale when my friend attended and she hated it so much that she moved home and ended up going to UAB.

          I don’t understand what the bid deal is… People go to school where they want to go to school, where it’s financially feasible for them to go, or who gives them the best scholarship. There’s nothing wrong with community colleges or technical schools. I’m sure multiple people on here have gotten hair cuts, had xrays taken, been to the vet and had an assistant help take care of their animal, had your dental hygenist clean your teeth… All those are things you learn at technical school and that doesn’t make them any less of a person than someone that went to Brown or Columbia. As long as you have a job that pays you, you can take care of yourself and your family, in the end.. That’s all that matters.

          In my own opinion, I would much rather be able to have multiple majors from an Alabama school to add to my resume; rather than barely scraping by with a C average english degree at Harvard. In the end, what have I learned? That if I spend less money and stay closer to home I can excel academically vs. having to sell multiple organs, my car, and my sister, so I can go to an “elite” school and sit in an auditorium with 400 people and not understand what’s going on? I’d pick Alabama over Yale or Harvard any day. If not because of the school, definitely because of the snow.

          Yes, people in Alabama are racist. So are people in Mississippi, Georgia, New York, California, Canada, Egypt, Brazil… There are racists everywhere and that’s just how it goes.

          I’m not trying to defend my state or my beliefs. I just don’t understand why someone who isn’t from Alabama is trying to convince people who live here, that we are less superior.

          Anyways. Roll Tide. Good luck, guys.

          ps. I’m sure there are all kinds of grammatical and punctuation errors. What do y’all expect? I’m only from Alabama.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/LaMarcus-Valenzuela/100000669666502 LaMarcus Valenzuela

          As a San Francisco native and proud African-American currently living in the great state of Alabama, I must say it’s obvious you have a serious inferiority complex when it comes to the state of Alabama. Every pity insult you’ve directed toward this state is merely based on stereotypes you see portrayed in the media and not from personal experience. I’ve never seen anyone loath a state with such grand intensity. Did a girl from Alabama break your heart or something? Were you not accepted into The University? I’ve never seen a person display so much hate toward another state simply because they believe “it’s dumb” or “a fan from another state poisoned a rival university’s tree”…A rebuttal can be made for each and every stereotypical insult you’ve brought to the table:

          Did you know California was recently voted the third-dumbest state in America? But when you actually visit the state, does it appear to be the third-dumbest state in the U.S.? Absolutely not! Try visiting Alabama and you’ll realize it’s no different than any other state.

          You brought up the KKK (a group that vanished in the 60s), yet LA is prominently known for modern virulent racism, especially knowing how large the Aryan Brotherhood cult is in SoCal. Hate crimes in California are far more common than they are in the south. And from personal experience, I only date white girls and in Tuscaloosa, nobody seems to have a problem with it, yet back home in Walnut Creek, a lot of white parents would not accept me simply because I was black. I’ve encountered way more hate in other states than I have the very state that outsiders still believe is controlled by the KKK. It only goes to show how much you truly know… by the way, have they murdered and buried any Mexicans in the California deserts lately? 
          You brought up NASCAR, yet last I seen, California had a MASSIVE NASCAR fanbase as well as TWO of their very own tracks in Sonoma and Fontana.

          You talked about how insane Alabama fans are simply because one idiot FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS poisoned a rival university’s tree. Acts of vandalism between rival colleges and high schools are very common in the U.S. Besides, how is that any better than a group of Dodger fans attempting to murder an innocent Giants fan in the parking lot at the beginning of the 2011 MLB season? Have you ever seen an Oakland Raiders fan? Have you read about the insane acts of fandom they commit? Yet for the first time in the history of Alabama athletics, one random fan from another state commits a seemingly harmless crime, and suddenly ALL ALABAMA FANS are worse than any gang-banging, innocent father beating Dodger fan in LA, or an obnoxious redneck Raider fan in Oakland.

          You’re quick to target Alabama whenever news breaks of an idiot committing a silly crime, yet when it happens in New York, California, or Florida (as it so frequently does), it’s just normal. Why? Perhaps that’s because there are way more idiots in those three states than there are Alabama. You seldom hear of mothers killing their babies in Alabama. You seldom hear of pedophiles molesting innocent children in Alabama. You seldom hear of gang related crimes in Alabama. You never hear of people downloading child pornography and blaming it on their cat. You seldom hear of any Charles Manson’s, or Zodiac murders, or Rodney King cases, etc. 

          And if Alabama degrees are so useless, then please tell that to the many attorneys, doctors, politicians, nurses, shrinks, athletes, coaches, professors, engineers, etc. that Alabama has produced over the years. There was a time period of which Alabama consistently found itself ranked in the top 50 colleges in America according to the USNWR. Not bad for a college whose degrees are on par with a beauty college, huh?

          Alabama is by far one of my favorite states, and because of Tuscaloosa and The University of Alabama (among various other cities and places) I have adopted Alabama as my native state. The women are gorgeous and also aren’t fake whores who find themselves waking up in a different man’s bed on a daily basis. The people here (for the most part) dress nice and appreciate their appearance. The people here aren’t estranged and simply put “weird” like the people in California are, and they accept you and welcome you, no matter your race, religion, or political preferences… and so on and so forth. I should also note you have experienced a party until you’ve visited Alabama. Or were you a social outcast in school and because of that, you never adapted to the party environment?

          If the state of Alabama is as bad as you say, then please, please, tell your people to say away from their beaches; their golf courses; their mountains; their theme parks; their national parks and campgrounds; their cities and towns; etc. etc. And if Alabama is that bad, why the hell are you so obsessed with it? Inquiring minds would LOVE to know.

      • Anonymous

        yes you need to be educated about melanin…read the other articles in the newspaper about all the racism on your campus. Pretty sick group of people you have at the university of alabama.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/LaMarcus-Valenzuela/100000669666502 LaMarcus Valenzuela

          Perhaps you need to visit the campus before you begin stating unsubstantiated facts. I’m a proud African-American from San Francisco, and I’ve yet to encounter any racism on UA’s campus. I’ve encountered way more racial hate in other states than I have this one. All I date is white girls and no one seems to have a problem with it. Yet, in Walnut Creek, many of these white parents would not accept me simply because I’m black.

          So please, take your baseless lies and your Alabama penis envy somewhere else.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/LaMarcus-Valenzuela/100000669666502 LaMarcus Valenzuela

          Perhaps you need to visit the campus before you begin stating unsubstantiated facts. I’m a proud African-American from San Francisco, and I’ve yet to encounter any racism on UA’s campus. I’ve encountered way more racial hate in other states than I have this one. All I date is white girls and no one seems to have a problem with it. Yet, in Walnut Creek, many of these white parents would not accept me simply because I’m black.

          So please, take your baseless lies and your Alabama penis envy somewhere else.

  • Anonymous

    I had go upgrade from idiots to retards given all your responses. You people are stupider than I thought.

    Funny I ask for 5 Alabama alumni in the Fortune 50 and I get one Tim Cook. I know who Tim Cook is, I work at an investment bank and know quite about Apple…

    1.) Tim Cook went to Auburn, I asked for 5 execs in the fortune 500 who are Alabama alumni (remember Tim Cook went to B-school at Duke where he learned his trade. Not at Auburn…fyi…Apple does not recruit from Alabama or Auburn, even having an exec from AL they still don’t come to the state of AL for talent, well since there really isn’t any)

    2.) Heidbreder is an idiot, her responses were too funny with the whole hospital thing and NASA in Hunstville (learn why NASA put that center there…hint: back in the day they wanted a place where they can work on secret technologies out of the spot light, they needed a place were the locals were basically to stupid enough to believe its a ammunition factory, there for its in Alabama… Goddard is now just a maintenance and refurb facility, unlike like JPL in CA or Kennedy in Houston which works on cutting edge stuff. Basically cheap labor keeps it in AL) Heidbreder just reinforces southern stupidity. Heidbreber take my advice and stick with your redneck things and not worry about NASA and hospitals, your too dumb.

    3.) DixieGenius work on your insecurity issues with your intelligence, its a freaking blog, proper English isn’t expected.

    4.) Not sure who Allstar is nor am I him/her but I will take the credit if you wish

    5.) Nobel prize winner from U of Alabama..? None…

    When you people have to struggle to find accomplished alumni of U of Alabama and have to combine with Aurburn alumni to muster a few big names, you know you have a crappy school. The entire nation laughs at you and your schools. They all can’t be wrong.

    Re-read what I asked for. Understand and analyze you sad under-educated wanna be smart people.

    I can’t answer all your responses, because it would be just stupid. I have to go board a flight now. I doubt I will answer anymore but good luck to your retards. Hope you realize you people have major issues, only way you people can address you problems is to admit your state and schools are loaded with uneducated, racist, backward idiots and work from there. God speed!!

    JOKE BEFORE I LEAVE:

    What is a southern girl’s mating call?

    – Y’all, I’m drunk!!

    • Anonymous

      One question: Where did you go to school?

      While it’s true that UA may not be the highest ranking academic institution, the fact is that all of the schools you listed in a previous post are not cheap to attend. Was UA my first choice? I’ll be honest-it wasn’t. Was UA the best school that I was accepted to? No. However, because my 32 ACT score meant that I don’t have to pay to go to school, I chose to come here. Was UA the only school that offered me scholarship money? No, but it did offer the most.

      The state of Alabama’s poverty rate is quite high. This isn’t something that we should be proud of, but it’s also a hard record to break. The sad state of the Alabama educational system is a direct correlation to the poverty. Again, not something to be proud of, but fixing it isn’t easy. If the 2 major Alabama universities were as selective as many of the schools you listed, that would put many of the state’s residents at a disadvantage (academically and financially). Who would that help, and what would that solve?

      In response to a few of the statements that you made:

      I would imagine that the reason UA and AU alumni are being listed is because you said in your first post that “Most of the nation doesn’t expect much from U of Alabama or the Auburn communities, given both “schools” are basically community colleges with dorms and D-1 athletics.” While there have been idiots who take our rivalry to the extreme (for example, a non-native Alabama who did not attend UA that poisoned the Toomer’s Oaks), when lumped together in such a demeaning way, Alabama residents will stick up for each other, despite the school.

      You also claim that there are no accomplished alumni from UA because there are no Nobel Prize winners, or Fortune 500 executives. Oh, and Facebook and Google weren’t founded by Alabama alumni either. I cannot argue with these facts. However, if these are your only criteria for success, it leads me to two conclusions:

      1. You yourself are not successful nor can you boast any accomplishments (along with the majority of the population, despite state or country.)

      2. You have no right to call anyone stupid if you believe that success can only be found by winning the Nobel Peace Prize or being a Fortune 500 executive. Success is subjective, but only someone extremely small-minded would put such strict constraints on what constitutes success.

    • Anonymous

      One question: Where did you go to school?

      While it’s true that UA may not be the highest ranking academic institution, the fact is that all of the schools you listed in a previous post are not cheap to attend. Was UA my first choice? I’ll be honest-it wasn’t. Was UA the best school that I was accepted to? No. However, because my 32 ACT score meant that I don’t have to pay to go to school, I chose to come here. Was UA the only school that offered me scholarship money? No, but it did offer the most.

      The state of Alabama’s poverty rate is quite high. This isn’t something that we should be proud of, but it’s also a hard record to break. The sad state of the Alabama educational system is a direct correlation to the poverty. Again, not something to be proud of, but fixing it isn’t easy. If the 2 major Alabama universities were as selective as many of the schools you listed, that would put many of the state’s residents at a disadvantage (academically and financially). Who would that help, and what would that solve?

      To answer your question as to why Auburn alumni are also being listed: You said in your first post “Most of the nation doesn’t expect much from U of Alabama or the Auburn communities, given both “schools” are basically community colleges with dorms and D-1 athletics.” Most students at UA and AU enjoy our rivalry, but not so much that we cannot support each other when insulted in such a demeaning way.

      You also claim that there are no accomplished Alabama alumni because the list doesn’t include Nobel Peace Prize winners, Fortune 500 executives, or the founders of Google and Facebook. In your eyes, are only people who have achieved these things considered accomplished? If so, that leads me to two conclusions.

      1. You yourself are not accomplished or successful, nor is the majority of the population, despite state or country.

      2. You are quite small-minded if you believe that only those who have achieved the three things you listed are successful. Success is subjective and there are many ways to obtain in. I would imagine that since you’re trolling this article, you will have an insult for that statement, but no matter what you say, it still stands-there are more than three paths to success.