Believe Out Loud open to all people

Amber Forsythe was the “perfect Baptist child.” She went to church with her family every Sunday, knew the Ten Commandments and did Bible drills. She knew she loved God and God loved her.

Soon, however, Forsythe, a health studies graduate student, committed a sin so severe in the eyes of Southern Baptists that she was cut off from her family. What was the sin? Murder? Deceit? No, Forsythe’s sin doesn’t appear in the Ten Commandments.

She is a lesbian.

In many Christian faiths, homosexuality is believed to be sinful choice. When the many Christian-raised children scattered about the South reach adulthood, those who identify themselves as anything other than heterosexual often face scrutiny from the Christian faith they were raised in.

Groups like national nonprofit organization Believe Out Loud and affirming churches like God’s House and Canterbury Episcopal Chapel, where Forsythe attends, are working to make the Christian community a more accepting place for all people, not just those who are straight.

Helene Loper, a pastor at God’s House, did not come out as a lesbian until her midlife. She said the problem lies in church policies, not with God.

“Many people have equated God with this human institution, and what they have heard isn’t the truth about themselves,” she said. “They are in a crisis and are questioning how, if they are gay, they can be Christian. They must rethink who God is and who the church is. If they accept that old church, they accept a wrathful God that hates them. But they come here and find something new.”

Gwen Ashby, director of Believe Out Loud, agreed that all Christian churches are not the same.

“I want to combat the notion that Christianity is unilaterally anti-gay,” Ashby said. “I want to spread the message that there is a welcoming and affirming body of Christians that love you just as you are and want to work to form equality for everyone.”

The Christian argument against homosexuality is based on several Bible verses interpreted literally. Ashby said these verses are often taken without regard to context.

“If you are going to be a Bible literalist, then you probably need to take off your polycotton and refrain from eating shellfish,” Ashby said. “The few verses used against homosexuality are looked at without looking at mandates.”

Homosexuality was not defined in the sense it is today until 1850. Jane Smith, a freshman majoring in psychology, who doesn’t define her sexuality with any one traditional label, said this fact makes the anti-gay interpretation of these verses even more suspicious.

“Some verses say don’t let women speak. The Bible isn’t about that,” Smith said. “The Bible says God will love you no matter what many, many more times than it says anything about same-sex relationships.”

Katherine Mills, a junior majoring in telecommunication and film, is said she disagrees with the practice of homosexuality but hopes to change the minds of homosexual people through support. Even though she disagrees with homosexuality, she agreed that God’s love is unconditional.

“We’re made in God’s image. He doesn’t hate us; he loves us. He hates sin,” Mills said. “Some people think being homosexual is a sin, and think because they are in a state of sin, God hates them. But that is not how he operates.”

Loper said all love originates with God.

“We believe the capacity to love is from God, and orientation is about who you fall in love with emotionally and psychologically, not just physically,” Loper said. “Love is from God, and saying this love is evil is not sound theology.”

Mills agreed that God’s love is for all people.

“We are called to love. Next to loving God is loving your neighbor,” Mills said. “Do you only love your neighbor if they are white? If they root for the same team? If they like the same music? No. You love your neighbor as yourself.”

Loper said that this conflict between minorities and Christianity is not specific to homosexuality.

“There is a fear factor. There are social struggles. People are looking to scapegoat rather than find a solution,” Loper said. “If it is not us, it is the immigrants. There is a changing pattern.”

Marc Burnette, chaplain at Canterbury, said this pattern is evident in the church’s history.

“It is very clear to us that God makes all people, and therefore, all people are welcome at Canterbury, and we’re serious about it,” Burnette said. “Canterbury has been very intentional to be inclusive. It is part of our history. We were a church of inclusion in the civil rights era and in these days of political stuff. It is who we are.”

According to a Pew Research Center study regarding gay and lesbian issues conducted over a 20-year period, acceptance of the homosexual community has grown. In 1994, 49 percent of the public said homosexuality should be discourged. By 2007, that number was down to around 40 percent.

In 2011, multiple surveys by various groups like Gallup, CNN and ABC found for the first time that a majority of the public favored same-sex marriage. A 2011 study from the Public Religion Research Institute shows 69 percent of the Millennial Generation agrees that religious groups are alienating young people by being to judgmental about gay and lesbian issues.

Ashby agreed that the Millennial Generation is changing Christianity.

“Young people, more and more, are leaving more conservative church traditions because they think it is hypocritical,” Ashby said. “As those young people decide to come back to church, they will find or start their own inclusive churches.”

Ashby, Loper and Forsythe all said the key to getting through this clash of sexuality and faith is finding a strong support group. Forsythe found this support group at Canterbury and is now active in the spirituality she could never deny.

“I experience God as he created me,” Forsythe said. “I can’t deny I feel him in me.”

For a map of area affirming churches and other resources, visit believeoutloud.com.

Correction: In the original version of this story, Katherine Mills was wrongly identified as a member of Spectrum, the LGBTQA student organization on campus. Mills is not a member and her views do not reflect the views of the group. The Crimson White regrets the error and is happy to set the record straight. 

  • Anonymous

    Sympathetic joy is when we take delight in the happiness of another instead of begrudging it. We can allow the lives of others to be different from ours and feel happy for them. We can rejoice for them as their happiness grows. I do not believe that happiness is a limited resource, that the more someone else has, the less there is for me. I do not believe that heterosexuals have a monopoly on love and commitment. If Ellen Degeneres is happy in her same-sex marriage then I am happy for her too.

  • Anonymous

    what believers dont understand is that our denying of equality, is the EFFECTS of 600 years of anglo saxon homophobia starting with king henry the 8th, head of church/state, who enacted a law that made homosexual acts a hanging offense that stayed on the books for 300 years, but the illegality still existed for another 300 years. this homophobia  is going to be expressed, until we own it, if not one way, then another regardless of the fact that there is no truth in demonizing being gay.  i say believers because we have long since died to the law in christ so issues are  no longer about legalities but  about the spirit that is in the lives and marriages of gays which is absolutely the same as that in those of heterosexuals.

  • Anonymous

    Or you could just make the more rational, peaceful choice and be an atheist.

    • Shawn Carter

      To be honest, I receive more proselytizing on campus from atheists than people who harbor faiths.  It used to be that atheists simply went about their world without faith of religion.  When did the change come around that atheism became a witnessing and converting faith of disbelieving?   

      • Anonymous

        Everyone’s experience differs. Rest assured, the obnoxious ones are a minority. Most of us don’t want to “convert” you but simply to inform those who are questioning or unsure that there is an alternative in this incredibly Christian-dominated pocket of society.  

        However, your run-ins with people who are trying to “convert” you doesn’t change my original conjecture that atheism is the more rational and peaceful choice.

  • Anonymous

    Where in Bible does it say these things AREN’T supposed to be taken literally?  There’s not some footnote at the end saying “By the way, these hundreds of pages of rules were all metaphors.”

    To be accurate, it’s hard to say there’s even such thing as a true Christian.

  • Anonymous

    Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Nothing metaphoric about this verse; it is the definition of homosexuality. In the New Testament, 1st Timothy 1:8-10 states “Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and the sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.” There is no misinterpreting the context here – homosexuality is a sin; a sin on par with murder and lying, because there is no weight to sin.  We are all sinful and will continue to sin, but by accepting Christ as our savior, our sins are pardoned. However, our desire upon becoming a Christian will be to flee from things that are an abomination in the sight of Christ, and not hold onto those things and attempt to justify them.To claim to follow Christ, yet still attempt to justify your sins as acceptable indicates that there has not been a true conversion. It is not the responsibility of the Christian to judge what is in any person’s heart, as only God truly knows, but it is the responsibility of a Christian to lovingly admonish fellow Christians when they are walking in sin, and attempt to help them live righteously. Colossians 3:16 – “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom.” Having said that, the most loving thing that a Christian can do is to love the person, while explaining that their homosexuality is a sin, and help that person walk in righteousness and to accept God’s grace, but not abuse it.

    • Anonymous

      Like you say, the bible tells us to love gay people. And, you know, kill them.
      How can you talk about love when you open with violence? As you say, there’s nothing metaphorical here, and it seems that, right from the start, you have no issue with condemning homosexuals to death. I don’t care if you end your statement with a cheery note about eternal love. Your argument is patent madness. Perhaps you truly believe that the creator of the universe concerns himself with your romantic life. But next time, why don’t we leave the death penalty out of this discussion?

      • Anonymous

        You are correct, I should’ve included the fact that Christ’s sacrifice and resurrection means that as Christians, we are not bound to the old testament law anymore, therefore homosexuals don’t have to be put to death. I wanted to include the whole verse to avoid the accusation of fitting pieces of verses to affirm certain arguments. Of course God loves us eternally, but only if we accept his grace and love that He gives us through the salvation Jesus offers, and repent and turn away from sin. If not, then God says you will be eternally condemned and separated from him. It’s blunt, but it’s clearly in the Bible. And certainly, as Christians we believe God has dominion over all things, including people’s romantic lives. It’s part of his omnipresence that makes him the God over the universe. We must love and accept all people, but nowhere in the Bible does it say we must be accepting of their sin. And clearly, homosexuality is a sin in the Bible.

        • Anonymous

          I’m glad to hear that you seem to have changed your minds. By all means, have your discussion about sexuality and morality. What is truly disconcerning is that violence entered this discussion — immediately, unwarranted, unprovoked.

          • Anonymous

            No one has changed their minds, it was simply a Biblical definition of what homosexuality is, used to show that it is quite literally talking about homosexuality and in no way a metaphor. Like I said, the new covenant we received as Christians following Christ’s death and resurrection does not require homosexuals to be put to death, nor am I suggesting that they should. Sorry about any confusion

          • Anonymous

            If anyone had required a definition they would have sought a dictionary. That barbaric and homicidal quote is hardly a definition of any kind. Those words can be used only in an attempt to terrorize. We should confront such language head on whenever we see it. Human dignity, human rights, and human life are at risk if we do not. Perhaps you are not a violent person and merely wish to explain a theological opinion. But as people, as free Americans, I surely hope that we can all recognize the madness in speaking the words “blood” and “death” in this context.

    • Anonymous

      Amber is my friend and sister in Christ. Your attempt to “clobber” people by quoting scripture shows that you have not engaged in loving the Lord your God with all your heart, your mind, and your soul. Stop giving the followers of Christ a bad name with your bigotry. http://www.thegodarticle.com/7/post/2011/10/clobbering-biblical-gay-bashing.html

  • Anonymous

    Saint Augustine couldn’t do it.  But can YOU explain what kind of fruit Adam and Eve ate in the story?  After 1600 years it’s time to think, read, and give the real explanation based only on the facts in the story.  No guesses, opinions, or beliefs.  We’ve already had way too many of these.  Treat the whole thing as a challenge.  You can do it!  But first, do a quick Internet search:  First Scandal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J772OVNYMFBUD3IIYZRXQXIQBI RebeccaC

    Honestly, if you’re homosexual, and you’re a  Christian, and you think that it is okay….

    You need to study your religion a bit more, because you are extremely incorrect.

    • Anonymous

      No, you need to study your religion a bit more. God calls you to love. The rest is taken care of by God. Bigotry and judgment have no place among the followers of Christ. Do your research. Don’t want to? This will save you time then: http://www.thegodarticle.com/7/post/2011/10/clobbering-biblical-gay-bashing.html

  • Anonymous

    How about we all just worry about ourselves and not care about what other people think, do, or say.  Imagine how much easier and less stressful each of our lives would be.  I woke up this morning and am going about my daily routine just like I will tomorrow and the next day regardless of who is gay or who is Christian or who is whatever.  Worrying about what other people do/say/think is just a waste of time of energy.  :)

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